Jesus in the Vedas

Jesus Christ is Jagad-guru: 

 by Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda

Question 1: Jesus Christ is jagad-guru, (the spiritual master of the whole world). His instructions alone are sufficient for our spiritual welfare. Is it still necessary, then, to accept a mahānta-guru – a great spiritual ācārya (one who teaches by his example) – who is still living in this world?

Answer: We accept both – jagad-guru and mahānta-guru. If only the jagad-guru-vāda (jagad-guru-ism) is accepted, the result has many undesirable consequences (anarthas). If someone accepts such a great soul from the past – in this case Jesus Christ – as jagad-guru and wishes to follow in his footsteps in the present but considers that there is no need for any mahānta-guru, it is questionable to what extent he will be able to properly follow the views of Jesus. Only the succession of mahānta-gurus mercifully delivers to us the words of the Supreme Lord or of the jagad-guru ācāryas.

If the teachings preached by Jesus Christ two thousand years ago are not carried forward through guru-paramparā into the present time, if Jesus Christ’s message is sought only in books and recorded instructions, then there is a possibility that we will mistakenly accept distortions of the truths preached by Him or even accept views that are opposite to his as his own.

Mahānta-guru is also jagad-guru. He is the manifestation of the previous jagad-guru. He receives the teachings of the jagad-guru through disciplic succession and mercifully delivers them to us. He is not someone who would deceive us by not presenting the real truth or say things just to please us; He does not wish for any worldly thing from us. He is the unbiased deliverer of the truth.

Love speaks the philosophy of love                                                                                                  by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja

[Sripad Damodara Maharaja:] Srila Thakura Bhaktivinoda and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja have said that Mohammed was a good devotee, but that he did not tell everything because of time, place, and circumstance. Is this true?

[Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:] We should obey the words of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja.

[Sripad Damodara Maharaja:] Isn’t this just to catch people and bring them in?

[Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja:] We should follow what they have told. Jesus was also empowered to preach to a certain section of the world population in order to help them develop their faith in God. He preached that God is our father and maintainer, we should pray to God, take His shelter, and develop our transcendental relationship with Him. You should respect all of them.

Sripada Sadhu Maharaja: Gurudeva, sometimes we preach to Christian people, after which they become attracted to Krsna consciousness, come to your lotus feet, and take initiation. Still, they sometimes think that Jesus, or Isa, is God, and not the son of God. What would you recommend for the development of their Krsna consciousness?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: You can tell them, “Krsna and Christ are the same. We are pure Christians – more so than those who falsely proclaim themselves as Christians. We don’t eat cows, beef, or any other animal food. There are good instructions in the Vedas of India, the Koran of Islam, and also in the Bible, but we disobey their advice to some extent. We wrongly think that animals and birds exist only for us to eat, and that we should not feel love and affection for them. Earlier, the Counselor General said that “God is Love and Love is God.” Similarly, in Indian Vedic culture it is said, “Sarve sukhino bhavantu” – everyone should be happy; not only humans, but creepers and other plant life, as well as pigs, birds and all other animals and all types of aquatics. They are also in the family of the same God.The Supreme Lord, Christ, has not created the animals for us to eat. How can we do so?

The Supreme Lord has created cows, and those cows give milk to all, without distinction or discrimination. They don’t consider caste or creed. In the Vedas, the cow is referred to as – go mata, – mother cow. As far as I have read, nowhere in the translations of the Bible is it written that you should kill cows, or any animal. I think that after some time the Roman Catholics added something and changed the meaning of the Bible’s original texts, and I think that in the original Old Testament it is not written like that. We devotees follow all the principles of the Bible. You should also follow, and become pure.”

This is also true of the Koran. Some modern Muslims think that if one is Kafir, a non-believer, he should be killed. If one thinks “Everyone outside of Islam is a non-believer, that we are the only religious persons, the only sons of Allah”, this thinking is quite wrong. Everyone should act according to his scriptures. He should follow according to his religion, and he should not have any objection to the religion of others. Only then can there be unity in diversity

Also, the Bible does not say that we can eat meat and eggs and drink alcohol. Similarly, the Koran does not sanction the slaughtering of cows and the eating of beef. A cow gives milk to everyone, including Muslims. She is therefore like our mother. God will not be happy if we harm any of His children, what to speak of killing our own mother. The Old Testament clearly states, “Thou shall not kill”. This means we should not kill humans or animals.

God has not created animals for us to eat. He has created fruits, roots, milk, butter, grains and vegetables for this. In the original Aramaic language of the Bible, the word brosimus has been used more than twenty times. Brosimus means “food”, but it has been translated as “meat”. This is because in Old English “meat” did not mean “flesh”; it meant “food”. But the English language has changed, and today most people wrongly believe that the Holy Bible supports meat eating.

I think that the Roman Catholic Church has changed the original teachings of the Bible. By vote they have changed the meaning of Jesus Christ’s message. In the Vatican, the Pope and bishops have made all these changes. But if someone is eating meat and causing innocent animals to suffer, he will have to suffer the reactions of his cruelty. Meat means “Me eat”. If you eat an animal, that animal will return to eat you. This is called the law of karma. You will eat, and you will be eaten.

Sripada Sadhu Maharaja: They think that Jesus, Isa, is the Supreme Lord. They think that he is visnu-tattva. How shall we explain that he is the son of God?

Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja: Christ is Krsna. Christ, Christos, Krusta, Krsna.

Sripada Sadhu Maharaja: So, Jesus is the son of Krsna.

Brajanath dasa: Yes, Jesus is the son of Christ.

Sripada Madhava Maharaja: Jesus never proclaimed, “I am God.”

Recommended reading: The Bhagavad-Gita As It Is translated by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. This is the preliminary literature for understanding Who God is, in truth, spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself, five thousand years ago.

A Christmas Message

Monday, 25 December 2006

Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja
North Shore, Hawaii: December 25, 2006

Gurudeva pink capToday is Christmas Day, the birthday of Jesus Christ. In Europe and other countries, hardly anyone knows what Jesus Christ was doing in his youth, at around 15 years of age. Indian history shows that he was in India, where he visited Vrndavana, Ayodya, Jagannatha Puri, and other pilgrimage places. In Vrndavana he heard the name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, and when he went to Jagannath Puri he heard how the local persons pronounce Krsna as Krusna or Krusta. Later, Krusta became Christos. Later, Krusta became Christos (or Khristos) , and then Christus , so the change in name is actually only a difference in language. *[See Endnote 1]

When Jesus returned to Galilee from India, he preached the same devotion he had learned in India. By his mercy, his followers preached the mission of God everywhere, and it was therefore gradually distributed in Western countries.

There are not many Gods – There is only One. In the Bible it has been written: “God created man after His own image.” If the Supreme Lord, God, has no form, then how can He create so many worlds and so many forms? God has form. He has all qualities.

‘Christ’ means ‘Krsna’, the One without a second, the Supreme Lord. In the Bible we see that God has a transcendental form. Jesus has called him father, so there is some relation. We are refined Christians because we totally follow this understanding. Many of those who call themselves Christians don’t truly follow Christianity, because they say that God is formless, but the Bible actually tells that God has a form and that form is transcendental.

Today, on the birthday of Jesus, we are giving honor to him. He was a manifestation of God called saktyavesa-avatara. God has empowered him, and that is why he was able to preach everywhere.Krsna is very merciful – very, very merciful. He is so beautiful, His qualities are transcendental, and the song of His flute is so sweet that it attracts everyone. We have forgotten Him. We are His part and parcel; that is, we are His servants or maidservants, whether we accept this or not. We have forgotten Him, and that is why maya (the Lord’s material, deluding potency) has taken us to this world.

No one can be happy in this world, which is like a prison. Sri Krsna’s deluding potency maya keeps those who have forgotten Him in this jail, and anyone who wants happiness here is a foolish person. No one can be happy in jail. Only the watchmen – police of the jail – can be happy, and they are devotees. Only devotees can be happy in this world.

Sri Krsna has mercifully given this human body, which is very strong, like a boat. He has placed a captain in this boat, and that captain is Sri Gurudeva. The favorable winds are blowing very fast, and these winds are sadhu-sanga, the association of devotees. For example, while you remained in your homes, we came from India.

One of Gods messengers was Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. Srila Swami Maharaja went door to door, to islands in the midst of oceans, on the top of hills, and in the depths of forests. He went everywhere and preached. How merciful are Krsna and His associates!

Having all these facilities, if you do not take the opportunity to realize your self, to realize that you are soul and that the Supersoul, Krsna is present with you, then you are committing spiritual suicide. [*See Endnote 2]

So don’t waste a minute’s time without worshipping Krsna. The money, houses, dogs, cats, cars, and so many other things you are collecting cannot give you any help at the time of death. You will have to go alone, and where you will go, you don’t know. So don’t waste time. All facility is available, so you are very fortunate. The only aim and object of this life should be this: ‘Realization of my self and Krsna, and performance of pure bhakti.’

Krsna is causelessly merciful. He has all powers, and He has invested all His powers and qualities in harinama (His holy names):

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Krsna’s names are more powerful than Krsna Himself. These names can stop your pain of endless birth and death, and they can give you love for Krsna. You should chant and remember the sweet pastimes of Krsna with great honor and strong belief.

Krsna lives in Goloka Vrndavana with His associates – Nanda Baba, Mother Yasoda, Sridama, Subal, Madhumangala, and the gopis, including Srimati Radhika. He always plays there. He thinks, “My servants and maidservants have forgotten Me.” In order to deliver them, He therefore descends with all of His associates in this material world and performs so many sweet pastimes here. He is unlimited, He is beyond the limitation of length and breadth, inside or outside; He is everywhere.

All worlds are within His belly, and yet Mother Yasoda binds Him with the silken rope which holds her hair in a braid. He kindly picked up the great mountain Govardhana and held it for seven days on His left pinky. At that time He told all the Vrajavasis, “Come under Govardhana. I will save you from the rains arranged by Indra.”

In Vrndavana He killed so many demons, like Aghasura and Bakasura. He killed Kamsa, who was as strong as 10,000 elephants. He also killed so many demons in Dvaraka, through Bhima and Arjuna; He killed so many in the Mahabharata War, such as Dronacarya and Bhisma. All the warriors had unparalleled immense strength, but they were all killed by Krsna. Paundraka Vasudeva, Sisupala, Kalayavana, and so many other demons were also killed by Him.

At the end of His manifest pastimes, He took with Him His associates from Dvaraka as they were in the guise of their fighting and killing each other. Thus He removed the burden of the Earth, and then ascended with His eternal associates to His Goloka Vrndavana. He performed such sweet pastimes. How merciful He is!

He came as Lord Ramacandra, with Sita, Laksmana, Bharata, Sratrugna, and Hanuman, and in that form He performed very pathetic, heart-rending pastimes. Ravana kidnapped Sita-devi, and Hanuman discovered where She was. With the help of monkeys and bears Ramacandra built a bridge over the ocean, and He killed Ravana and Ravana’s entire army. Sita is Rama’s eternal spiritual energy, but He sent Her away. This is a very sad pastime, so why did He do this? He thought: People will hear or read My pastimes and engage in bhakti (devotional service) to Me. Bhakti is so powerful that it is able to take out all the malice and manifest pure love in their heart. They will be liberated, they will join Me in My service and become happy.

Bhakti is a very easy method to reach God.

If you cannot pray, then simply offering respectful obeisances will do. If you sing God’s names and dance, or even chant loudly while walking, or even if you chant softly in the mind, or even if you name your dog or cat or cow Narayana, Krsna, or any of Gods names, you will be liberated at once, like Ajamila. [*See Endnote 3]

My request is that you should not waste this human life. Don’t be always engaged in money-making. Even if you become more wealthy than Bill Gates, still, you cannot be happy. So try to engage in this very easy method of bhakti. Then you will be liberated from all miseries, and you will be happy forever.

[*Endnote 1:

Prabhupada: Christian religion is practically, from the name it appears – ‘Christian’ and ‘Krsnian’. Original word of this ‘Christ’ comes from the Greek word ‘Kristo’.

Dr. Weir: Anointed.

Prabhupada: Yes. This ‘Christa’ is Krsna.

Dr. Weir: From the Sanskrit?

Prabhupada: Yes. Krsta is the popular word for Krsna. And Krsna is always anointed with tilaka. We follow this, tilaka, Krsna, anointed with this sandal pulp. So, so far I think, there is some very near relationship with this ‘Christian’ and ‘Krsnia’. Krsta means ‘love’, love of Godhead or love.” (Room Conversation, September 4, 1971, London).

Father Emmanuel: I think Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the actual name of God: Christ. We can call God ‘Father’, but if we want to address Him by His actual name, we have to say ‘Christ’.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. ‘Christ’ is another way of saying Krsta, and ‘Krsta’ is another way of pronouncing the name of God, Krsna. Jesus said that one should glorify the name of God, but yesterday I heard one theologian say that God has no name-that we can call Him only “Father.” A son may call his father ‘Father’, but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, ‘God’ is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krsna. Therefore whether you call God ‘Christ’, ‘Krsta’ or ‘Krsna’, ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Father Emmanuel: Yes, if we speak of God’s actual name, then we must say, “Christos.” In our religion, we have the Trinity: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe we can know the name of God only by revelation from the Son of God. Jesus Christ revealed the name of the father, and therefore we take the name Christ as the revealed name of God.

Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn’t matter – Krsna or Christ – the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.” (Science of Self Realization, Chapter 4).

“Yes. Krsna means ‘the supreme lover and beloved’. He attracts everyone. There is one Greek word, krista. The meaning is the same, ‘love.’ And from this Krista, the word Christ has come. So this word Christ also has connection with Krsna.” April 13, 1975 Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture)

[*Endnote 2:

nr-deham adyam su-labham su-durlabham
plavan su-kalpan guru-karnadharam
mayanukulena nabhasvateritam
puman bhavabdhim na taret sa atma-ha

The human body, which can award all benefit in life, is automatically obtained by the laws of nature, although it is a very rare achievement. This human body can be compared to a perfectly constructed boat having the spiritual master as the captain and the instructions of the Personality of Godhead as favorable winds impelling it on its course. Considering all these advantages, a human being who does not utilize his human life to cross the ocean of material existence must be considered the killer of his own soul.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.20.17)]

[*Endnote 3: 

“Ajamila was a resident of Kanyakubja (the modern Kanauj). He was trained by his parents to become a perfect brahmana by studying the Vedas and following the regulative principles, but because of his past, this youthful brahmana was somehow attracted by a prostitute, and because of her association he became most fallen and abandoned all regulative principles. Ajamila begot in the womb of the prostitute ten sons, the last of whom was called Narayana. At the time of Ajamila’s death, when the order carriers of Yamaraja came to take him, he loudly called the name Narayana in fear because he was attached to his youngest son. Thus he remembered the original Narayana, Lord Visnu. Although he did not chant the holy name of Narayana completely offenselessly, it acted nevertheless. As soon as he chanted the holy name of Narayana, the order carriers of Lord Visnu immediately appeared on the scene. A discussion ensued between the order carriers of Lord Visnu and those of Yamaraja, and by hearing that discussion Ajamila was liberated. He could then understand the bad effect of fruitive activities and could also understand how exalted is the process of devotional service.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1 Summary by Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharajá Prabhupada)]

36 Comments

36 thoughts on “Jesus in the Vedas

  1. If you want to read my poetry, my site is amrapoetry.wordpress.com. WARNING: It talks about the re-discovery of Christ, after an 8 year period of not believing. Some people don’t like it.

    Like

      • Oh, thank you. It is indeed fascinating. You will be amazed to know how many Catholics (and other past denominations) that have now embraced the path of Krishna Consciousness, I follow, going 20 years now.

        I grew up in a Christian home and had to pass Bible as a subject before I could graduate high school. When in later years I was guided to the ancient Vedic texts and my spiritual master, I was astounded to realise how little I knew about who God really is or what G.O.D stood for; the creation, different planetary systems other than the 9 we knew about in Science class, the various spiritual realms and what they represent etc etc. esoteric and secret knowledge and revelations than what the one Bible I studied, could never give.

        All I can say, is that, I remain infinitely grateful to my guru/spiritual master (who wasn’t just any ordinary guru) for revealing secret things to all of us and the conceptions we have, about spiritual life.

        This knowledge is available for any sincere seeker of deeper truths. If you have any questions or anything about this philosophy you would like clarification on, please feel invited to ask. I/we are here to share 🙂

        Liked by 1 person

      • Thanks very much. I am actually interested, but let me first say, I don’t think I would ever be able to change my faith in the Catholic Church! But nevertheless I am curious about what you mean by ‘who God really is’ and ‘the various spiritual realms.’ I find the idea of ‘secret knowledge’ strange… But you did say it is open to a sincere seeker. The knowledge of the Gospel, at least in the Catholic tradition, is open to everyone. However, it too is secret in the sense that we believe there is only one way to understand it. It is not open to personal interpretation. The Church, the body of Christ, makes sure that different theologians do not stray from the correct path, theologically, so to speak . There are many people who refuse to listen to the Church because it takes time to understand the Gospel message and it’s implication for our lives. I suppose in that sense the knowledge contained within the Bible is a secret, or a mystery, to many people.

        Like

      • In no way, was I Implying that you change your faith. That’s not how it works. One has to have developed enough spiritual merit to come to Krishna Consciousness and by that time, they will naturally be attracted to fully embrace it. Saying that, anyone can still benefit from the knowledge, regardless of who they are or where they are at.

        When I use the word secret, I don’t mean it in the way people understand ‘secret societies’ in which questionable things are taking place. I mean it in the sense that, this knowledge has reached only a limited amount of souls who are ready for it or who it is meant to reach.

        The gospel may be a secret to those who have no faith in God, but it is not so for those who have, insofar as God and Jesus Christ, heaven and hell, is concerned. There is nothing so secret about that and its meaning for one’s life is not difficult to grasp. However, ‘Krishna Consciousness is not for the faint-hearted’ as one great saint once said, for it requires another type of spiritual merit, which is called bhakti-sukriti; one has accumulated over many lifetimes. As I mentioned before, I used to think that I know all there is to know when I studied the Bible and went to Church, but I was humbled when I got entrance into the deeper knowledge about God, I was fortunate to get.

        Anyhow, I’m not here to preach to you or anyone. I am here to present what I know and have realised to be the ultimate truth and leave it up to individuals to make up their own minds/hearts about it.

        Here on this, our archive online link, is the ancient text spoken directly by the Supreme Lord, Sri Krishna, word for word and unchanged 5000 years ago: http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/7
        Feel in your own heart from reading the message, whether it is sublime or not. The above is only from chapter 7. The entire text is 18 chapters in length.

        Blessed be….

        Like

      • Thank you for your time and those explanations. Krsna consciousness is a form of meditation, then, upon God? That does not sound incongruous with Catholicism, in fact, if more of us meditated prayerfully on God we would be better followers of Christ. You mentioned ‘many lifetimes,’ are you speaking about reincarnation? That is an idea I don’t think I could accept. I appreciate your method of presenting your faith and leaving it to the person his or herself to investigate and decide, thank you. I can relate a lot to that, if a person wants to follow Jesus and be specifically a Catholic, they have to decide for themselves. We cannot force them. They wouldn’t have a real relationship then with, as you know how we see it, God as man. I had a brief look at your link, and I will look again. Thanks. Could I ask, was there something about Christianity that you couldn’t accept, or didn’t like, which contributed to your acceptance of Krsna consciousness? You don’t have to answer, of course, again, I am just interested.

        Like

      • Krsna Consciousness simply means being conscious of Krishna all the time. Krs = to cut and na = circle. The One Who cuts the cycle of repeated birth and death, to award ultimate liberation. Krishna also means, ‘all attractive.’

        I have a post called ‘reincarnation and more’ wherein, you will again read the Lords words on the subject, highlighted in black.

        Christianity, the Bible or the Church cannot give all the answers and that’s what I found out in my own journey, as well as the millions of us on this path of Krishna Consciousness. The point is that, we all built on top of what we already had, as what we had wasn’t enough. You or others may feel it is enough and that’s perfectly fine for the time being. We will all gradually be guided to where we will be or ought to be.

        Thank you for the opportunity to have shared these exchanges. You are very fortunate to have come to this knowledge of Krishna Consciousness, even in a remote and momentary way. It’s not an ordinary or coincidental thing for you, me or anyone, who has come in contact with it. Great benefit will be gained.

        Please feel invited to ask any questions…I’m here to share.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Well, thanks again, I have to say, I don’t really believe in coincidence any more, I think of discoveries as providential. So, when you say Christianity can’t give all the answers, what questions are you referring to? And what answers did you find? Sorry if I am inconveniencing you!

        Like

      • Yes, providential it is, as not a blade of grass moves without the will/sanctioning of the Supreme.

        You have asked me two questions and I will answer to the degree I feel you can relate, as there are things I can reveal and there are things I can’t reveal at this point; not because I don’t want to, but because you won’t digest them, in the same way you said you don’t believe in reincarnation. So, I will try my level best. You are not inconveniencing me and I’m happy to share what I can.

        In all the major religions, I find the description of God to be vague and basic and that is fine, when we have started to climb the ladder of spiritual life. It never quite touch upon more personal details of who God is i.e. His name, form, qualities and pastimes. Yet, by the mercy of my spiritual master, sadhus (saintly persons) and shastras (transcendental Vedic literature) I found the answers to those four questions. Our link here, will elaborate more on the name, form, qualities and pastimes of the Lord: http://vedabase.net/sb/10/2/36/en1

        I found I could ask questions I didn’t know I could ask and I found answers to questions I didn’t know existed.

        Christianity, the Church and the Bible had made me feel as though I could not step outside that box, by controlling me with fear and dogma. But when I broke the walls of that box… words cannot explain what I gained.

        Like

  2. It’s amazing the parts of your faith that I see crossover with mine. You mentioned a ‘spiritual master,’ who, from what I understand from reading other parts of your blog, is someone who adheres to the original teaching of Krsna (am I correct in that?) and obviously instructs others in the correct manner of living out and knowing this teaching. In Catholicism, bishops and priests are the ones most heavily charged with this. Then you mentioned saintly people and as you probably know, the Church professes a strong belief in their powerful intercession from Heaven and indeed there are saintly people who have not yet died who can also pray for us. Everyone can pray for each other. Reading on the lives of these saints is strongly encouraged along with the reading of any theological texts they have written too. You really got me thinking about all this. Have you heard of Saint Thomas Aquinas? He was a philosopher and theologian, I believe he did not necessarily distinguish the two- he saw philosophy as the ‘handmaid’ of theology. It was a stepping stone to theology for him. He speaks about God in the same way you seem to have spoken. Within the Church he is a philosophical giant. He speaks about God as One, Simple and says that He is Indivisible. This is how you see Krsna, no? God’s attributes are one and the same. God is Love. God is Justice. God is Mercy. God is Being Itself, rather than the ‘greatest being.’ This seems just like the example in your link about Krsna’s name being Krsna. Do you remember when Moses asked God what His name was? And God replied ‘I am who am.’ Quite simply- ‘I Am.’ God’s name is the same as saying ‘He Who Is.’ Saying ‘God’ is acknowledging His presence, simply, in this moment. The Name and the One are inseperable.

    Going briefly back to St. Thomas, I just want to reinforce what we both seem to agree on, but from the point of view of claiming that it belongs too in the Christian and here, specifically Catholic, tradition. God is One. You told me that the Bible cannot give all the answers- interestingly, in the Catholic Church, there is belief in a three-fold outpouring of Revelation. These are Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. It is my understanding, from this, that the Church would agree with you- the Bible cannot give all the answers alone. I found written evidence of this:
    ‘It becomes, then, a question of whether Scripture contains the whole of God’s revelation to his people. As much as we cherish Scripture, the answer can be nothing other than a definitive “no.” In the economy of salvation God speaks to his people through history, creation, the prophets, and “most fully in the mystery of the incarnation, death and resurrection of the Son of God” (Verbum Domini, 7). Thomas could be termed ‘prophet’ although it would be an uncommon title to give him. My point is that the Church is home to individuals whose thoughts, which can only be seen as gifts of revelation and understanding from God, through prayer, which is like meditation. We are more than a book based faith.

    Finally, if I can address one other thing you said, about the Church not being able to give all the answers. I would agree with you from the point of view the Church as it is here on Earth- the Church has not come into it’s full glory IN GOD- which is the state you seem to be striving for, what we call Heaven. However, it is our belief that a human cannot achieve this as we are separated from God by sin, that’s why we call Jesus our saviour. The Church contains some answers to questions regarding the Truth because the Holy Spirit guides us too.

    I apologise that that became such a long reply! I hope that it was interesting to you, and thanks again for explaining to me the aspects of your faith I asked you about. I would be interested to know your thoughts on what I have written.

    Like

    • Indeed, parts or remote aspects of Krishna Consciousness will be reflected in practically all the religions of the world, because it is Krishna Who millions of years ago, brought fourth the the Vedas or transcendental books of knowledge. It has just been dispersed over time, to different countries in which people have adopted, adapted, or manipulated it to their culture.

      There are many types of gurus or spiritual teachers on varying levels of self-realisation going towards their goal of liberation. They are needed in the world to help people on different levels of spirituality. Yet, there are the very rare types that are descending masters that are already liberated who comes to liberate souls, beyond Heaven, beyond liberation. Jesus, who had spent a considerable amount of time in India, meditating and visiting many holy places there, in his youth, went back to Galilee to preach the same message of Krishna Consciousness, but as he said in John 16v12, the people at the time wasn’t ready for that kind of knowledge. Thus he had to give some general understanding of God, heaven and hell etc. and a lot of moral principles. He was and still is an empowered being, no doubt.

      But spiritual life is like a school. We start out in kindergarten, but we have to take advantage of our human form of life and progress to graduate from university with a good qualification. Krishna has been sending spiritual masters to give higher and higher knowledge, but if we think there can be no other such soul than Jesus, then we are missing out. It’s like climbing a ladder. We have to continue to go higher and higher, until we reach our goal.

      I think the time has come for me to share with you our archive online free read into these esoteric and ancient, yet contemporary Vedic texts here on our link; http://www.vedabase.com/en
      See whichever book grabs your attention and feel within your heart. You will not be able to read all these book perhaps in this lifetime, because they are lengthy, but many of us have and have read even more, so it is possible. That is level one and if and when you get an overview of the teachings and philosophy, I will be happy to share level two, in which there are even more hidden knowledge about the Lord and His varigated pastimes and manifestations.

      My thoughts on what you have written is this: You write with soundness. I can see you have a good grasp of what you know. I feel that you have sufficient sukriti (spiritual merit) to delve further, because I think you have the capacity and aptness for much more. You are sincere and the guidance with which you need to progress further, is already working within and without you. So, be blessed 🙂

      Like

      • Thanks again. I will certainly have a good look, as you have given me a lot to think about. It is very interesting. However, I want to ask you more questions, if that’s ok. The ‘Vedas,’ are they actual books? Or books in some other sense? It may sound like a silly question, just as you mentioned they were brought forth millions of years ago, it seemed puzzling to me. Also, as you know, it is an understatement to say Jesus is important to our Church. Jesus is God. As He is present in the Church, everything we can say about the Church we can say about Jesus and therefore God. At least, this is my understanding. It goes back to what we were discussing earlier about God as Indivisible. So, you referred to Jesus as simply one soul, but in light of what I have just mentioned, for us, this is simply not the case. Jesus is God. There is nothing like Him. So when me and you mention Jesus, we seem to have different conceptions of ‘Who’ He is. If I can ask also, why do you believe Jesus travelled to India? Is it a logical guess, based on His teachings, or does it say somewhere in one of your sacred texts that He travelled there. Is He mentioned in the Vedas (or another text, if that’s the wrong way to put it, sorry!)? Thanks again! You are very kind to take the time to explain!

        Like

      • You are welcome and I don’t mind to answer any questions you ask or will ask, but I fear that my answers, alone, will not suffice to appease your mind or clear any doubts. That’s why I humbly suggest you read up on the texts I sent you on the link to gain a better overview.

        Regarding the Vedas, yes, they are actual transcendental books of knowledge the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself brought fourth, millions of years ago. See reference here: http://vedabase.net/bg/15/15/en3

        In view of Jesus being God, I will share that even at the time I was going to Church, studying Bible as a subject throughout high school and hearing from various preachers who used to visit our Church, there was never an understanding that Jesus is God. This new concept of him being God, has been a recent thing. A few examples from my King James Version I received back in 1985 and printed in the US: John 14v28, John 14v9, John 16v28 also Matt 27v46 clearly shows he is not God. Luke 23v46 is another example that he is not God and never in anywhere of the Bible, did he say he is God. Where it says in John 10v30 that ‘I and my Father are one’ it does not suggest or imply that they are one in quantity. It implies that they are one in quality, in spirit. And in the famous John 14v6, you can again see he is not claiming to be God, as well as in John 14v10, but he’s sharing the original philosophy of the Vedas he had read in his youth back in India, that no one can directly have a relationship with God, save though the spiritual master or bonafide guru, who Jesus was acting as.

        You have to remember that at the time Jesus gave his teachings, people were very sinful, (yet not as much as today) and he had to somehow instill some faith in them. No bonafide guru or elevated spiritual master will ever say they are God. It would actually be deem as a great offence.

        Finally, yes, Indian history records Jesus’s travels about in India, visiting holy places, chanting on his 108 beads as we do and meditating on Lord Sri Krishna. This is not recorded in the Bible, as with many other things that have deliberately been removed by evangelical interference, in which things have also been added to achieve selfish objectives.

        We had someone who somehow escaped and came to our way of life, who used to be in the Vatican, to confirm that what you get in the different versions of the Bible, is not the full story.

        Anyhow, the understanding of Jesus being in India, came from my spiritual master, who appeared in Bihar and lived until his early 90s. He was a Sanskrit scholar and supremely versed in the Vedas. My guru was not an ordinary person, not just because of his wealth of knowledge, but because of something else, I can’t reveal here.

        I feel it would be better to communicate by email from here on, should you have any further questions, upon reading.
        Blessed be 🙂

        Like

    • Thanks. A friend will be doing a guest post in the next few days and I will post out again, sometime in the near future. I don’t post that often, but I update the pages from time to time. Blessings and peace 🙂

      Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s